In addition to the article from the Russian Weightlifting Library,
which directly addresses the issues of why Powerlifters and Henry and
Hammand where not able to put up bigger totals, consider this:
"...different training methods have been established with the aim of
developing distinct strength qualities. Training with high loads
(high-intensity strength training) improved maximum voluntary
isometric strength (MVC) considerably with only minor changes in the
rate of force development (RFD), whereas moderate loads that were
accelerated with maximum effort (ballistic strength training [BST])
had minor effects on MVC but enhanced RFD extensively. The underlying
neural mechanisims of a BST were recently examined by Van Cutsem et
al.(1)"
1. Van Cutsem, M., J. Duchateau, and K. Hainaut. Changes in single
motor unit behaviour contribute to the increase in contraction speed
after dynamic training in humans. J. Physiol. 513:295-305. 1998
Powerlifting is MVC training and Weightlifting is RFD and very
technical. When thought of in those terms in addition to the requisite
specialized squat training Weightlifting requires, the inability of
long term Powerlifters to compete at the elite level, despite great
size and prodigious strength, begins to make a great deal of sense.
W.G. Johnson
Ubermensch Sports Consultancy
San Diego, CA
--- In Supertraining@
wrote:
>
> Agreed, and I don't believe that anyone on this board believes to
the contrary. My origional point (and one that was never truly
addressed) was that Hammon and Henry's WL careers were stunted by
their lack of training and experience relative to the field, not by PLing.
>
> Dave Kirschen
> New York, NY
>
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> To: supertraining@
-0700Subject: [Supertraining] Re: Powerlifting <> Olympic Lifting?
>
> IMO, the best way to prepare for a good WL career is to do WL, and
the best way to prepare for a good PL career is to PL. Both have
merits as a sport, but using one as a base for the other is not
optimal. Phillip GarrisonMesa Community CollegeMesa,
AZ==========
Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:31:06 -0600Subject: [Supertraining] Re:
Powerlifting <> Olympic Lifting?I'm almost afraid to post on this with
some of the posts I've read, not really, I'm an old Marine and Cop so
not much scares me. No science here just my own experience. I started
out as an Olympic lifter at the age of 14. I was a Missouri State
Champion by age 16 and feel pretty good about my chances of one day
being a lot more. I think my Olympic lifting back ground directly was
responsible for my better than average dead lift from day one in power
lifting. Over the years I still have done the Olympic lifts just for
something different and I felt they helped my explosiveness (such as
it is). I must say that as the years of power lifting progressed I
became less and less flexible in the areas needed (especially
shoulders) for the Olympic lifts. This despite my long career in
karate, judo, jujitsu, and the other fighting arts that require a
certain amount of flexibility. I also pretty religiously practice
dynamic stretching, yoga, and pilates. Most Olympic lifters I know and
I do still keep up with it pretty well would argue that the key for
anyone being productive in Olympic lifting is having a good coach.
Linda talked about Mel being able to correct her OH squat in a very
short period.My point is that from my point of view power lifting has
robbed me of the flexibility I need for Olympic lifting. Having said
that I would not go back to Olympic Lifting because I never had the
passion for it that I do for power lifting nor did I build the power
from it that I have from power lifting. I trully believe that for me
there was carry over from Olympic lifting to Power lifting but I doubt
the inverse would be true. Still strong is strong and I feel pretty
confident that give me 6 months to train with a good coach and I could
compete on a National level in Olympic lifting. I throw this out just
as an individual example only and we all know there are many
individual differences.
this topic is about and some of it is a little personal. Let's not
forget that Mel brought us all together to share opinions and thoughts
as well as scientific information to arrive at the best conclusions we
can. I think there are a lot of people that don't post on this list
because they think their thoughts are not needed or wanted but the
opposite is true. We need to get back to that and spirited debates
over relevant topics with the idea of promoting knowledge and good
training philosophies. At least that's my take but then I could be
wrong.Eddie WhiteBlue Springs, Mo. ============
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