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**** Overeating and being fat? How do you think they got fat? Why
do you
> think they started overeating? They just suddenly decided to start
> eating excessively and getting fat one day, after thousands of years
> of behaving differently?
Civilisation evolved from the Neolithic period about 10,000 years
ago, but the essential difference between the diets of hunter-
gatherers then and now is food abundance - fat, protein,
carbohydrates and extreme availability -- it's not just because of
grains.
**** As you point out, I sort of convoluted two different issues in
which grains are a major culprit in my posts, and two different forms
of grain.
> The issue with whole grains are the many compounds they contain that
> block nutrient absorption. These issues are still there with a lot
of contemporary processed "whole grain" products, and sometimes made
> worse. This is tolerable when the grains are eaten in small amounts,
> but starts to cause malnutrition disease when grain begins to make
up around half one's diet.****
Tell that to a billion or so rural Asians who exist on rice several
times a day. In any case that's an argument for a balanced diet and
has nothing to do with grains per se. I've shown you that whole
grains can help prevent diabetes. Here is evidence that whole grains
help prevent heart disease as well.
Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 2007 Apr 19
Whole grain intake and cardiovascular disease: A meta-analysis.
Mellen PB, Walsh TF, Herrington DM.
"CONCLUSIONS: There is a consistent, inverse association between
dietary whole grains and incident cardiovascular disease in
epidemiological cohort studies. In light of this evidence, policy-
makers, scientists, and clinicians should redouble efforts to
incorporate clear messages on the beneficial effects of whole grains
into public health and clinical practice endeavors."
Do you now agree with me that a balanced diet with whole grains is a
healthy diet?
> The issue with refined grains, particularly white flours, is that
> eating them triggers hormonal responses that lead to obesity.
Overeating anything -- meat, fat, sugar, grains -- leads to obesity.
The idea that, magically, a bowl of rice turns people into glutton
robots is so far fetched that I wonder why so many people believe it.
In any case, that's not an argument for excluding all grains from
your diet.
****Not only do they directly trigger fat storage, but they also
cause rapid spikes and declines in blood sugar that lean one to be
way too hungry again way too soon. The same goes, of course, for
refined sugar. In general, refining carbohydrates into a powder or
syrup at all appears to be the problem. ****
Of course too much refined sugar and flour can be a problem, but
don't obscure your original contention that *all* grain foods are so
bad that they should not be eaten at all.
And, any fat that gets stored from whatever you eat is still
available for energy use. In an energy-balanced diet, this dynamic
around fat, carbohydrates and protein gets worked out so that you
don't put on weight. Any mild fat storage from carbohydrates doesn't
get stored away never to be got at at again. You might as well say
that dietary fat triggers fat storage -- it makes about as much sense.
Many types of foods precipitate food intolerances or allergic
reactions. Nuts, milk (lactose), seafood, eggs, dairy, grains
(gluten). If they don't agree with you, don't eat them; eat something
else. In fact allergic anaphylactic reactions to some nuts and
seafood and eggs can be life threatening.
One doesn't see people running around telling all and sundry not to
eat nuts or seafood or eggs -- which might kill them. The anti-grains
movement is nothing more than an irrational cult.
Paul Rogers
Gympie, Australia
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